General discussion / Global Hardstyle (Good Read)

On 22-05-2011 13:37:49, Lee_Mac_ wrote:

Now I have a question for the people who swear by what ye call "hardstyle".

Do you think hard style (NU Style) has gotten more recognised in the commercial mainstream. Yes it has. It has gotten extremely commercial. this is what destroyed it.

Its no Longer a music anymore its a business. And when this happens it destroys a genre.

Hard style is closer to the mainstream top 40 that it is to underground. A lot fucking closer.

Its exactly the same thing that has happened to Dubstep (Although there is still a lot of good, dark dubstep to be found thats not commercial,,, This is why I can ignore the bad dubstep,,, there is not much good hardstyle today, this is why I cant ignore the fact that it has sold out)

I wouldnt be surprised if Britney Spears or Rihanna made a track With the HeadHunterz soon. Its like the way Deadmau5 and Showtek and doing shows together now. It makes money, so why not. Soul less bastards.

This is my last comment on the topic. I know it wont make a difference because the hardstyle lovers will not listen.

I find this topic (and all other topics in which people cry about the state of hardstyle these days) a bit pathetic. However, I caught myself walking down the street just the other day, watching a cabriolet driving by with some top 40 music and I thought by myself, how awesome would it be if I drove by with such a car and some darn underground music, so I scrolled through my iPod and I suddenly realised that I considered almost 75% of my hardstyle 'too mainstream' to have the desired awesome shock effect...

Gewijzigd door Hektor op 22-05-2011 14:05

At least we still have Gabber Kicks and Amen Breaks (☞ ￣ヮ￣) ☞

On 22-05-2011 13:37:49, Lee_Mac_ wrote:

This is my last comment on the topic. I know it wont make a difference because the hardstyle lovers will not listen.

Agreed, you cant cry ages about it that it changed... this is not changed for like a year, no its already longer changed. Why do you want to get a point, while its totally useless cause you dont get a point.

As i already said before: get fl start producing and stop crying about other producers.

On 22-05-2011 17:30:46, Star wrote:

At least we still have Gabber Kicks and Amen Breaks (☞ ￣ヮ￣) ☞

On 22-05-2011 17:30:46, Star wrote:

At least we still have Gabber Star and Crucell Breaks (☞/ ￣ヮ￣) ☞/

On 22-05-2011 13:37:49, Lee_Mac_ wrote:
long story

What you're trying to say is..
Because it isn't as underground as it's used to be, it isn't cool to listen to hardstyle anymore?
It was only cool to listen to hardstyle because it was underground?
Music changes, accept it.

Gewijzigd door ThaBomba. op 22-05-2011 18:00

On 22-05-2011 17:43:49, Z1ppo wrote:

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get fl start producing and stop crying about other producers.

HAHA, nice one mate. Lee Mac is one of the best producers in Hard Dance right now.

whoever wrote this is a butthurt faggot.

vroegah was alles beter natuurlijk!

On 22-05-2011 17:59:52, ThaBomba. wrote:

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What you're trying to say is..
Because it isn't as underground as it's used to be, it isn't cool to listen to hardstyle anymore?
It was only cool to listen to hardstyle because it was underground?
Music changes, accept it.

That's not what he was saying either. He was saying hardstyle changed to promote itself to the masses and in doing that lost what was cool and different about it.

Either way, the point of the topic is that the link isa good read, which it is. And although Scul is a bit of a fanny, I still agree with the most part of it.

On 22-05-2011 17:59:52, ThaBomba. wrote:

What you're trying to say is..
Because it isn't as underground as it's used to be, it isn't cool to listen to hardstyle anymore?
It was only cool to listen to hardstyle because it was underground?
Music changes, accept it.

I think people forgot what the term 'underground' means.

There has never been underground hardstyle.

It was a happy version of hardcore from the start.

Underground techno, yes, underground hardstyle, never was.

But even if you're a fan of the nowadays hardstyle you still can admit it changed in a negative way isn't it?

Just listen to old hardstyle sets, mixing was brilliant. Now, mixing is forgotten.

It's all about promos and edits.

Hardstyle still lives, even bigger than before. And that's the main problem.

Normally every couple of weeks they created new tunes and released them.

Now the producers even say they created tunes within 2 hours!

It's easy money now. That's the big problem.

Maybe, like with the happy hardcore, the happy hardstyle goes away we will have the quality hardstyle back.

Gewijzigd door Opperhoofd op 22-05-2011 18:06

On 22-05-2011 18:05:41, Opperhoofd wrote:

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I think people forgot what the term 'underground' means.

There has never been underground hardstyle.

It was a happy version of hardcore from the start.

Underground techno, yes, underground hardstyle, never was.

But even if you're a fan of the nowadays hardstyle you still can admit it changed in a negative way isn't it?

Just listen to old hardstyle sets, mixing was brilliant. Now, mixing is forgotten.

It's all about promos and edits.

Hardstyle still lives, even bigger than before. And that's the main problem.

Normally every couple of weeks they created new tunes and released them.

Now the producers even say they created tunes within 2 hours!

It's easy money now. That's the big problem.

Maybe, like with the happy hardcore, the happy hardstyle goes away we will have the quality hardstyle back.

, Agreed.

On 22-05-2011 18:05:41, Opperhoofd wrote:

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I think people forgot what the term 'underground' means.

There has never been underground hardstyle.

It was a happy version of hardcore from the start.

Underground techno, yes, underground hardstyle, never was.

But even if you're a fan of the nowadays hardstyle you still can admit it changed in a negative way isn't it?

Just listen to old hardstyle sets, mixing was brilliant. Now, mixing is forgotten.

It's all about promos and edits.

Hardstyle still lives, even bigger than before. And that's the main problem.

Normally every couple of weeks they created new tunes and released them.

Now the producers even say they created tunes within 2 hours!

It's easy money now. That's the big problem.

Maybe, like with the happy hardcore, the happy hardstyle goes away we will have the quality hardstyle back.

Here Here

On 22-05-2011 17:43:49, Z1ppo wrote:

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Agreed, you cant cry ages about it that it changed... this is not changed for like a year, no its already longer changed. Why do you want to get a point, while its totally useless cause you dont get a point.

As i already said before: get fl start producing and stop crying about other producers.

mate I do make music... Not on FL. On ableton, much better haha

And alot of it is inspired by older hardstyle.

Gewijzigd door Lee_Mac_ op 23-05-2011 01:02

It's funny that most of the time in discussions like this, most of the time the same people who say hardstyle should be underground and not meant for the masses, are the same who say hardstyle is dead right now, but actually hardstyle (as in, early hardstyle, reverse bass stuff, you know what i mean) is now more underground than ever (in comparison to 2004-ish).

Oh the irony..

On 23-05-2011 05:02:48, Maximumraver wrote:

It's funny that most of the time in discussions like this, most of the time the same people who say hardstyle should be underground and not meant for the masses, are the same who say hardstyle is dead right now, but actually hardstyle (as in, early hardstyle, reverse bass stuff, you know what i mean) is now more underground than ever (in comparison to 2004-ish).

Oh the irony..

Hardstyle has never been underground.

Only in hardcore and techno these days.

I comparison to a few years back

Also:

Hardcore underground ?

Gewijzigd door Maximumraver op 23-05-2011 14:46

Hardstyle still is a unique style.. You wont find anything like it in any other genre.
I love hardstyle and I don't think the direction hardstyle is going, is a bad one. I think it is in fact a good one. The more the merrier!
Also, people think (for instance) Headhunterz, only does it for the money.. Well he's the biggest hardstyle Dj in the world and he got there because he put ALOT of effort and time into making music and he's one of the creators of the "hardstyle" nowadays. He earned his spot and people seem to dislike people being successful. Well I dislike people that dislike other people for no good reason.

On 23-05-2011 15:47:17, Neilio wrote:

Hardstyle still is a unique style.. You wont find anything like it in any other genre.
I love hardstyle and I don't think the direction hardstyle is going, is a bad one. I think it is in fact a good one. The more the merrier!
Also, people think (for instance) Headhunterz, only does it for the money.. Well he's the biggest hardstyle Dj in the world and he got there because he put ALOT of effort and time into making music and he's one of the creators of the "hardstyle" nowadays. He earned his spot and people seem to dislike people being successful. Well I dislike people that dislike other people for no good reason.

mate its easy get to the the top if you sell out.

Normal people wouldnt like him unless he did. Good hardstyle was too aggressive for normal people, so it was toned it down.

Gewijzigd door Lee_Mac_ op 23-05-2011 15:56

On 22-05-2011 18:05:41, Opperhoofd wrote:

[...]

I think people forgot what the term 'underground' means.

There has never been underground hardstyle.

It was a happy version of hardcore from the start.

Underground techno, yes, underground hardstyle, never was.

But even if you're a fan of the nowadays hardstyle you still can admit it changed in a negative way isn't it?

Just listen to old hardstyle sets, mixing was brilliant. Now, mixing is forgotten.

It's all about promos and edits.

Hardstyle still lives, even bigger than before. And that's the main problem.

Normally every couple of weeks they created new tunes and released them.

Now the producers even say they created tunes within 2 hours!

It's easy money now. That's the big problem.

Maybe, like with the happy hardcore, the happy hardstyle goes away we will have the quality hardstyle back.

I agree with opper 100 percent i feel i should not be commenting on this topic as ive never liked HS but what the hell. The way everyone is talking about "Nu-style" is way i have always felt about HS. Its never been underground, its always been aimed at kids (not kids but the younger generation), the record labels like Qdance and Scantraxxx have had an mafia/monopoly for too long. And i feel HS has very little quiltys to call itself it own genre apart from reverse bass which is now being faded out. To me HS has always been a big pile of commercial shit with no soul.

On 23-05-2011 15:56:04, Lee_Mac_ wrote:

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mate its easy get to the the top if you sell out.

Normal people wouldnt like him unless he did. Good hardstyle was too aggressive for normal people, so it was toned it down.

Right, lemme see you "sell out" and get to the top!
If its that easy just do it

You're full of bs, because thats not the way it works. Headhunterz is just a really good artist PERIOD.

Gewijzigd door Neilio op 23-05-2011 16:00