Feedback / Negative voting back?

On 18-04-2012 21:24:18, Pithune wrote:

thank god the red arrow has disappeared

time to kick some sense into why people rate sets red (other then to purposefully rate it down so it won't make it into the top 10)

lsdb can use some more maturity when it comes to that, commenting will improve that.
and for those who worry about flaming comments, isn't that why mods are appointed ...?

Very good point.

Think this is actually a good idea. Too many people rating sets red without ever listening to them. too many people rating the wrong reasons. from now on if someone has listened to a set and wants to express how they don't like the set they can write down some constructive criticism.

good work

On 18-04-2012 19:47:53, Opperhoofd wrote:

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Hard to understand isn't it, loser.

On 19-04-2012 01:11:10, Xerxes wrote:

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Ga je hond uitlaten speknek... het feit dat je weer ligt de kankeren over iets nutteloos dat niets met het forum te maken heeft, toont jou verstandelijk vermogen sander...

*jouw

Give me the red arrowwwww back.

well the red button makes much anger and discussions,but i thought on my self,when somebody give the red button then only when he hear the set/s and not only just if the TL not look good (well i know it on my own give red because the bad tl,but its not fair for the uploader)...

if the red button came back then only to use if the set/s had listen and with a good reason why the person give red for the set/s...

I don´t give a shit.

On 19-04-2012 10:51:07, djdesudo wrote:

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Very good point.

Think this is actually a good idea. Too many people rating sets red without ever listening to them. too many people rating the wrong reasons. from now on if someone has listened to a set and wants to express how they don't like the set they can write down some constructive criticism.

good work

THIS IS VERY,VERY GOOD!!!

Many sites don't have downrank buttons because of this very reason. The comments exist for a critique of the work people are shown. Perhaps a new commenting system should be underway instead that treats it like a forum (DeviantART has an excellent example of a comment system done right) with threads so whoever posted it and whatever artist is tagged in it gets comments in their notifications box so they know what people think. Maybe implement a better rating system that includes "General," "Quality," "Track Selection," and "Other: (please explain in full detail)." that can go along with a small review of the set, positive or not, at leas it provides reasoning other than what I'm about to say.
Abuse of a comment system isn't done as often as some people on here going "Oh lord that TL" "Oh god the quality sucks even though the tracklist is amazing" "I DONT LIEK THIS ARTIST IMMA DOWNRANK." I'll admit to doing the latter more than once, but my point is that a rating system like the one we had seems too general, at least in my opinion.

Yes let's force ppl to write down constructive critisism, Oh wait didn't the discussion about styles and gernes already end up in flaming/yelling/cursing ... my god this is a genious play (kudo's to whoever came up with the logic behind this).

Not only will you force ppl to voice their Dislike in comments, another thing is not everyone wants to comment|post to show their dislike and inevitably it will cause topics to be flooded with comments yet where you seek constructive critisism , the actual artist posting the mix will have to wade through a sea of comments of reading "-1" "this sucks" "bad mix -1" "awful TL -1" and ofc friend "Awful sound quality -1 !" , because that's the general thought that goes through someones head when he or she presses the -1 button.


And what is the f use of having a + vote when you can't have a - vote?, this is even worse than the American 2 way party system.

So, you don't want people to have some kind of motivation to express what they think? Also don't bring up an argument that made you look like an ass.
This is why we have moderators, who can delete useless comments. Ugh, you're impossible.
Spot-on with the American system though. Only thing I agree with in your entire post, and it's irrelevant to the point.

Yes wonderful reply there sinen swing and a miss and ty for calling me an ass while you blatantly read past my argument, my argument was not about taking away motivation to post constructive critisism it is about having no outlet for negativity but the comment box.

The majority of -1 voters do not listen to mixes, they vote red because they dislike a TL or dislike the fact that it's not 320 kbps why would that need motivation or argumentation in form of a comment? it's a bollocks reason to begin with, people who wish to contribute something constructive will post it anyway after giving the said mix 1+

But instead you vouch for a system where constructive critism has to share the same outlet as random rage comments such as SHITE QUALITY NO TL?? AWFUL QUALITY OMG THE MC SUCKS!!.

Swing and a miss.

Alright then, good point. In my opinion, a solution to my former idea is to have a normal comment system, and a page specifically for critiques (Again, DeviantART is a good example), and if a simple comment is found, then like I said, this is why we have mods and admins.

it's the best solution. that's why the leading social-web Facebook only has a "Like" button, now LSDB is that way. like it rate it +1, don't like be neutral or ignore no place for the bad vibes.

because of the red's we lost all the Korsalol sets and almost won a chance to meet her lolyers.

nobody likes bad critics. check for example the hhz, he even made a account on hardtraxx to face-to-face his critics dragonbornheady.
if you look to hhz fb, his lover fans doesnt have any critic mind, everything hhz make is good, a kick, a fart, a photo, a wtf.

On 19-04-2012 20:19:46, Morango wrote:


nobody likes bad critics. check for example the hhz, he even made a account on hardtraxx to face-to-face his critics dragonbornheady.

So whats the problem with that? He started producing better tracks after that... critics are needed to keep an artist/dj sharp.
If all he hears that he's doing a good job and only getting +votes he thinks everything is allright and nothing has to be changed..

On 19-04-2012 20:28:35, Knomo wrote:

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So whats the problem with that? He started producing better tracks after that... critics are needed to keep an artist/dj sharp.
If all he hears that he's doing a good job and only getting +votes he thinks everything is allright and nothing has to be changed..

for a starter guy... that's the way the critics work.

for the big and already "stars" no. check the auto+1 on his house proj "Shillo"

another one... Skrillex, nice "mainstream" dubstep u made last year ...but wtf is that remix on Avicii Levels? ...i guess he will calle me "hater"

It doesn't matter what the colour of the arrow is, it's your own choice if you want to listen to a set or not.
The whole function of the voting system is that you can show what you thought of the set, good, descent or bad. And the effect is that other people can see the set if it is populair and good or not. Beside the fact that you can show the other people what you think, you recommend a set.
With the removal of the red arrow you are removing the whole function of the voting system. And with us as users of LSDB we are the ones that say if a set is good or not. If you want to change the voting system, remove it and let LSDB be a database only.

On 19-04-2012 21:21:48, E-Stylezz wrote:

It doesn't matter what the colour of the arrow is, it's your own choice if you want to listen to a set or not.
The whole function of the voting system is that you can show what you thought of the set, good, descent or bad. And the effect is that other people can see the set if it is populair and good or not. Beside the fact that you can show the other people what you think, you recommend a set.
With the removal of the red arrow you are removing the whole function of the voting system. And with us as users of LSDB we are the ones that say if a set is good or not. If you want to change the voting system, remove it and let LSDB be a database only.

Agreed. You might aswell remove the green vote now. Positive and negative votes or nothing. Green vote only doesn't really make sense.

Soo.. 18/73 people want to keep the lame new voting system while the rest wants it back.

Almost every moderator wants it back too.

The top10 consists of lame ass sets and the 'negativity' hasn't decreased either.

Many arguments have been heard and by far the best is that a rating system without a negative vote doesn't make any sense what so ever.

Please turn it back to how it was mstx.

sincerely,

All sensible LSDB users

sets should be rated objectively,so if removing negative voting as an aspect of the whole thing,better just remove voting at all,since if set is rated negative by few ppl,well most likely it means it's a bad set,and should be marked so (ofc counting if all the votes were done objectively and based on true opinions),on the otehr hand to reduce levle of spamming negative votes,would it be better to allow voting (either good or bad) for only ppl who made a comment,explaning sunject of such vote (no matter good or bad),or allow voting only with commenting,that's what i mean

On 23-04-2012 18:41:51, Knomo wrote:

Soo.. 18/73 people want to keep the lame new voting system while the rest wants it back.

Almost every moderator wants it back too.

The top10 consists of lame ass sets and the 'negativity' hasn't decreased either.

Many arguments have been heard and by far the best is that a rating system without a negative vote doesn't make any sense what so ever.

Please turn it back to how it was mstx.

sincerely,

All sensible LSDB users

Amen