12-02-'21 Randy @ Industrial Mix 01

Old mix from the 1990's just been digitised and uploaded now in 2021.

Which tags are appropriate?

Gewijzigd door Hansolo op 12-02-2021 18:16

On 12-02-2021 18:15:32, Hansolo wrote:

Which tags are appropriate?

Few IST tracks, Dr Macabre track/s, Bloc 46, Caustic Window, a War track, Mescalinum United... I suppose Early Terrror not really Early Hardcore?

The date must be arond 2000's first track is from 2003. Lot of the same tracks from Industrial 4 he did. So if this is number 1 the dates on the other ones must be wrong. I can't be bothered checking the playlists on the other ones for dates

The first track originally came out in 2000 I just remembered.

Gewijzigd door Bedlam op 12-02-2021 19:41

Date probably 2000.

Dr. Macabre - One Two Three Four - HHR 001
00:05:10 - ??? Sounds like Dr Macabre?
Caustic Window - The Garden Of Linmiri - CAT 009ii
Manga Corps - The Hunter - IST014
Dr Macabre ‎- Danse Macabre - MRV 020
00:18:30 - ???
Manga Corps - First Wave - IST014
00:26:30 - ???
Zenith - Black Alienation - IST020
00:34:45 - ???
Lukas vs. Randy - Beep Ch.It. - IST022
Amorc - New Style RMX - WAR 11
00:45:00 - ???
Manu Le Malin - On The Way Home - BLOC 46-006
00:54:45 - ???
00:57:30 - ??? Well known like 'We Have Arrived (Aphex Twin QQT Mix) and probably Mescalinum United? ‎

Gewijzigd door Bedlam op 12-02-2021 19:42

Hardcore/Darkcore no chance! I said what it is!

Download link 320 kbps MP3 ufile.oi

16 might be one of the tracks off here (F*@k!ng Brain Tumor) but unless I dig out the record I don't know? It's not the A track I put that in the Ron D Core mix Funny Farm. If remember correctly there was one track on one side and maybe two tracks on the other side? 'F*@k!ng Brain Tumor - A. Untitled (White Label) [Not On Label – none]' and not on Discogs. Hope I'm wrong and somebody knows the track as something else.

On 12-02-2021 18:09:05, Bedlam wrote:

Old mix from the 1990's just been digitised and uploaded now in 2021.

Randy answered on Facebook when this mix was recorded: 2021 but with 1994-2002 vinyl

On 13-02-2021 09:34:18, Hansolo wrote:

On 12-02-2021 18:09:05, Bedlam wrote:

Old mix from the 1990's just been digitised and uploaded now in 2021.

Randy answered on Facebook when this mix was recorded: 2021 but with 1994-2002 vinyl

Having two other mixes on here Industrial 02 & 04 dated from the 1990's would make you think this is not new. Strange but true this 01 but the others obviously were recorded before though numbered after 01. Thanks for the info pity he did not give you the tracks missing.

Doing tracklists to mixes I've never heard not very sensible for memory!

16. Richard Devine - Metalloid - sss003

2. Zenith - Chaos Induction

6. Mechanism - Destroying Angel
https://www.discogs.com/Mechanism-Spirit-In-Decent/release/82050

Qua tags: hardcore.
The BPM's are too slow for 'early terror' imo.

Gewijzigd door pointlesspoint op 14-02-2021 14:34

On 14-02-2021 14:26:26, pointlesspoint wrote:

2. Zenith - Chaos Induction

6. Mechanism - Destroying Angel
https://www.discogs.com/Mechanism-Spirit-In-Decent/release/82050

Qua tags: hardcore.
The BPM's are too slow for 'early terror' imo.

You've just got to deal with the made up genres for this website. The only other option is Early Hardcore on here and it ain't that! I've had my say about these fictional genres many times before on here so I'm not going in to that again. Personally it's Hardcore really with some tracks touching on Acid and Techno.

Gewijzigd door Bedlam op 14-02-2021 15:33

I also had my say about the genre thing here and i do think the same about not repeating my statements and arguments ;-)

The 'Hardcore' tag is available up here so it easily covers most of this mix perfectly.

As long as there are no definitive criteria for tagging you can tag a mix with 'Early Hardcore' if there's only 1 track out of 20 somewhere in the mix made in the early part of the 90's. You can do the same for 'Acid' the moment there's a '303' to be spotted (of course, acid is more than a 303).

But as long as the new tracks that have that 'Early Hardcore' sound (in the ground it's Thunderdome-like Dutch gabber mostly) from the last couple of years with the production values of the 90's keep getting tagged as 'Early Hardcore' there can and never will be a once and for all decisive tagging practise even be possible:

Is the year of production decisive?
The production values that make it sound like 90's stuff?
The amount of BPM ('Terror' is faster, but how much is it faster than 'Hardcore')?
The amount of tracks in the mix that sound like it to have it tagged as 'Early Hardcore', 'Acid', etc.?

Gewijzigd door pointlesspoint op 14-02-2021 16:14

On 14-02-2021 16:10:47, pointlesspoint wrote:

I also had my say about the genre thing here and i do think the same about not repeating my statements and arguments ;-)

The 'Hardcore' tag is available up here so it easily covers most of this mix perfectly.

As long as there are no definitive criteria for tagging you can tag a mix with 'Early Hardcore' if there's only 1 track out of 20 somewhere in the mix made in the early part of the 90's. You can do the same for 'Acid' the moment there's a '303' to be spotted (of course, acid is more than a 303).

But as long as the new tracks that have that 'Early Hardcore' sound (in the ground it's Thunderdome-like Dutch gabber mostly) from the last couple of years with the production values of the 90's keep getting tagged as 'Early Hardcore' there can and never will be a once and for all decisive tagging practise even be possible:

Is the year of production decisive?
The production values that make it sound like 90's stuff?
The amount of BPM ('Terror' is faster, but how much is it faster than 'Hardcore')?
The amount of tracks in the mix that sound like it to have it tagged as 'Early Hardcore', 'Acid', etc.?

Hardcore tag on here means stuff like Angerfist etc . Hardcore on here is modern era releases last 10 years or whatever? It's not important because the tags on here are fiction. It just gives a rough idea what it is. So that's why though it's hardcore you can't use it for this.

Gewijzigd door Bedlam op 14-02-2021 17:41

On 14-02-2021 17:40:56, Bedlam wrote:

Hardcore tag on here means stuff like Angerfist etc . Hardcore on here is modern era releases last 10 years or whatever? It's not important because the tags on here are fiction. It just gives a rough idea what it is. So that's why though it's hardcore you can't use it for this.

ok, that's clear now! I like (historical) correctness and precise tagging but i will take my work back underground.

Gewijzigd door pointlesspoint op 14-02-2021 19:35

On 14-02-2021 19:35:05, pointlesspoint wrote:

On 14-02-2021 17:40:56, Bedlam wrote:

Hardcore tag on here means stuff like Angerfist etc . Hardcore on here is modern era releases last 10 years or whatever? It's not important because the tags on here are fiction. It just gives a rough idea what it is. So that's why though it's hardcore you can't use it for this.

ok, that's clear now! I like (historical) correctness and precise tagging but i will take my work back underground.

No I'll crawl back into my hole (lol).

Gewijzigd door Bedlam op 14-02-2021 19:40

Dr. Macabre - One Two Three Four - HHR 001
Zenith - Chaos Induction - IST020
Caustic Window - The Garden Of Linmiri - CAT 009ii
Manga Corps - The Hunter - IST014
Dr Macabre ‎- Danse Macabre - MRV 020
Mechanism - Destroying Angel - IST015
Manga Corps - First Wave - IST014
Argonic - Untitled (B2) - PDS 6208/1
Zenith - Black Alienation - IST020
MiBo - Security Forces - NCR 01
Lukas vs. Randy - Beep Ch.It. - IST022
Amorc - New Style RMX - WAR 11
Wavelan - B2B - IST018
Manu Le Malin - On The Way Home - BLOC 46-006
Laura Grabb - Cylindrical - IST012
Richard Devine - Metalloid - sss003